Mr. Manucharyan, what can you say about the reasons, core
and prospects of the Ukrainian crisis?
The current crisis in
the US-Russian relations has a 20-year background. After the collapse of the
Soviet Union Russia recognized the United States as global leader and sought
control only over the post-Soviet area. In its turn, the United States kept
assuring Russia that they are close allies. But quite recently the Russians
realized that the Americans are doing nothing to support them but are just
pushing them towards an economic and scientific-educational disaster. The crisis
in Syria showed them in the Kremlin that they in the White House do not care at
all for what they think and for the first time in the last 20 years the
Russians said no to the Americans. Naturally, the Americans decided to punish
the Russians. But it was a big mistake on their part as you can guide Russia
only by cajoling it rather than by slapping it in the face. The Americans
slapped the Russians in the face and began teaching them a lesson by means of
Ukraine. In fact, they used the Ukrainian crisis just as a weapon for purposes
having nothing to do with the Ukrainians' hopes for better life. There are wise
people in Ukraine who were initially aware of what was happening, but,
unfortunately, this awareness has not developed into Ukraine's national policy.
So, what have the United States and Russia arrived at
today?
The core of the present
world order is the international financial-banking system, while all that talk
about the Yalta conference is just for fooling people. The United States is the
greatest empire of the world, but this empire of dollar does not belong to the
Americans. So, it is wrong to blame the American people. They are just used as
a tool by a group of global moguls. Today lots of people are beginning to
resist this system, including certain communities inside the United States,
some nations in Latin America and even Europe. Also in opposition are the BRICS
members. But those controlling the world system are not going to change
anything. So, we should not confuse the crisis in Ukraine with the
Russian-American conflict. The former is just a tool for the latter. The actual reason of this confrontation is
that Russia is a rebel country. But the special thing about Russia is that it
is the only nation that can block almost any decision by the United States by
just threatening it with its nuclear arsenal. China alone is unable to do it.
At the US initiative, half of the world
is currently imposing sanctions on Russia, and the sanctions are gradually
reducing the Russian economy to the level of Soviet economy of the late 1980s.
Doesn’t Washington take into account the unpredictability of the Russian
people, who are capable of entering the Baltic states, for instance?
Indeed, everything
considered to be important in the Anglo-Saxondom world fails in Russia. For
instance, there is shortage of food in Russia, although there has never been
glut of food in this country. In Russia people have started thinking about
numerous problems, which earlier they did not even think about. They have
started understanding that they had been deceived, and something important was
replaced with something not so much important in their mind. They have stated
understanding it just as a result of the western sanctions. About one million
Russians wish to defend Ukraine but not from the Ukrainians but from the USA
and the world order. In this context, he thinks that it is very much dangerous
and senseless to lead Russia to the readiness to the war. I think that perhaps
saving of the world is in strengthening of Russia.
As a factor of
suppression of the world financial and economic hegemony?
Russia is currently the
only force to restrain the harshest steps of the world grabbing system. As
regards Ukraine, it was used by the United States, which was trying to subdue
Europe. Today we state that the US has failed to do it completely. Moreover, it
is because of Europe’s reluctance to obey the US that a new tool has emerged in
the world.
The Islamic State…
Yes. The United States
has created the ISIL so as to be able to start a war in any place in the world
at any moment. Islamists are people who believe that the present world order is
not fair, so, you can find them everywhere.
Today the US aviation is delivering blows on the ISIL’s
positions. Has anything changed?
Having failed to gain
control over Europe by means of Ukraine, the United States has decided to
create a new global weapon, the ISIL. Initially this weapon was meant for local
campaigns in Syria, Iran and the Greater Middle East, including Turkey, but
later, when the Americans realized that the global revolt is already covering
Russia, China and even Europe, they decided to use the ISIL for global
purposes. In fact, the West is instilling into the Muslim world a horrible
ideology of robbery and murder. The ISIL is promising Muslims worldwide a fair
world, so, any Muslim seeking justice can be regarded as their potential
member. Today the Americans are provoking a global conflict. Today they are
forcing Germany to publicly arm Kurds for fighting Islamists but tomorrow they
may use this fact to make the Germans the ISIL's key enemy. The Americans
already have the Germans on the ropes: whenever they wish, they may arrange an
explosion or a chemical attack in any German city, the Germans will start revenging
and this all will cause chaos in their country. Today the Americans are
actually fighting the ISIL. They first created it and then organized the world
against it. What they actually want is to provoke lots of conflicts worldwide
with the only aim to preserve the existing world order. They have enough
nuclear weapons to tame China but not Russia.
Can the format of military-political and
economic alliance with Russia ensure multilevel security of Armenia given all
the specified global threats?
Today we are an ally of
Russia, who is obliged to ensure our security, and now that we have joined the
Eurasian Economic Union, also our economic welfare. So, the biggest threat for us today is that
we can be blown up under Russia in the same way as Ukraine was blown up.
Azerbaijan can also become a bomb for Russia. Several thousands of people who
recently fled to that country from Syria may well be advocates of the Islamic
Caliphate, so, they may well be ready to kill other people and to sacrifice
their own lives. They are different from the Azeris that fought in the
Nagorno-Karabakh war, and should they proclaimed an Islamic state somewhere in
Azerbaijan, this will have very bad consequences. Russia also has lots of
Islamic regions, so, this is also a big threat for the Russians. The conductor
of these processes is the United States, who is acting through Qatar, Saudi
Arabia and Turkey.
Many of your colleagues think that the
Karabakh conflict is a potential threat of explosion of the fragile regional
stability. To all appearances, you don’t think so…
The Nagorno- Karabakh
conflict can be used as a fuse but this factor is not strong enough. I guess
they in Moscow have made it clear to Ilham Aliyev that things have changed and
his old sponsors, the United States, Israel and the United Kingdom, are already
using non-waste technologies. Sometimes even very loyal leaders end badly if
they stand in the way of the global system. I think this is what Aliyev is
mostly afraid of.